Community Development gets a lot of different definitions, the blog title gives you mine. Together with my family, living in central Asia, I work with a NGO in a CD project that works toward objectives of improving water, sanitation, hygiene, infant and maternal health, and agriculture for poor communities. I am not an expert in any of these fields, I'm the guy that trains and supports the national leaders and facilitators of the project, and makes sure that we are actually facilitating change
Friday, January 25, 2013
Sometimes it’s not all about the money (take 2)
Last week I arrived in M-ville for the 3rd support visit since October. The first visit was made in order to check-in on the project and to clean and prep our new house here. The second visit was made after our leadership announced that our family could not live in M-ville again. The house that I had prepped in October thus got packed and shipped out in Dec. It was heartbreaking for the watchmen to have to watch and help with this move, especially for kaka, my son’s favorite man here. ---
Arriving for the third visit last week, the procedure of visiting here has become old hat: I convince at least one other guy to come with me, I bring some food, we enjoy playing pool and eating a lot of meat, and we call it M-ville men’s retreat. On the Oct and Dec visits there were invites to people’s homes, because I had been away from March-October. Now in January, I suspected that they would feel that their hospitality obligations had been served. I was surprised, then, when on the morning after arriving, kaka told me he would be buying lunch for Garry and I. “You don’t need to do that kaka,” I told him. He shook his head, “don’t say that, you’re my guest.” I tried to argue that I wasn’t a guest because I had lived here, but he didn’t accept my arguments. I tried to wear him down by insisting 5 times that I buy his lunch instead of him buying mine, but he didn’t budge. “Go ask Garry what he wants, and tell me what you both want and I’ll bring it,” kaka said definitively. I went away, and tried coming back three times later, with different arguments about why he didn’t need to do this. ---
I don’t know completely why I argued so much with kaka about one lunch. Maybe it was because I know how much he earns, and it’s less than 1/6th of what our local office manager earns (and he constantly complains it’s not enough). Maybe it was because he knew how many nice foods from the bazaar my family was able to buy (he used to do our shopping), that he was not able to buy for his family. Maybe it was because I know that he is very sad and disappointed that my family will not be living here again. For whatever reason, I desperately wanted to reverse this man’s will, and put money in his pocket to feed his family, rather than let him spend it on fattening me. ---
On the third time I returned to kaka to argue, he took a tone of seriousness and set me straight. “You don’t get it. In my culture, you’re my guest, and we serve our guests for their whole stay. I’m ashamed to admit that I can’t feed you for the whole week, I would not have anything left to feed my kids. I would feed you all week if I could, but I can’t, I’m sorry. I WILL buy your lunch today, hosting my guest is part of me. ---
Once again I had missed it. I had missed that it’s not all about money when you have something more personal to share. I let kaka buy a simple lunch for Garry and I, and I doubly satisfied his hosting appetite by saying that we would come to his home for lunch the next day. He was thrilled to have us in his home. I was thrilled to meet his youngest son, 5-month-old Ibrahim, who I had advocated for when kaka and his wife were considering aborting him. Kaka turned 15 shades of red as I went on and on about how special and awesome Ibrahim was. ---
Now the only thing left to do is sneak cakes and fruit and meat into the saddlebags of kaka’s bicycle before I leave here, and not get caught by him doing it!
Friday, January 18, 2013
Sometimes it’s not all about money
Every week, sometimes a couple times a week, my phone begins to buzz, and the familiar name of a local friend shows on the caller ID. I call him Tom. Tom has a talent for calling at the worst of times: putting the kids to bed, in a meeting with local staff, or in the bathroom! Tom is persistent, enthusiastic, and loyal, and I like him because of that. For the past months he has been repeatedly asking me to find a job for his friend, Zed. Zed has been out of work for a long time, and he lives in this new city that we are now in. Unfortunately I have no ability to create or open a job for him right now. After each request, Tom begrudgingly accepts this unfortunate reality. Last week Tom said, “Zed wants to meet you, where can he meet you?” I knew this was coming, yet it made me anxious to think of hearing all the petitions of this friend of a friend. I could tell that this was important to Tom, and Tom has become important to me, so I named a time and place to meet Zed.
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It’s mid-day outside the park, and I’m looking for Zed so that we can sit down to a nice plate of rice and meat at a restaurant, my treat. We find one another and I lead him into a restaurant, but before we sit down on the cushions he says, “this is a problem, we can’t meet here, it is much safer to meet at your office.” So, we take a 20-minute walk back to the office, and I try to buy some kebabs along the way, but Zed keeps refusing to eat. This is a bit disappointing, since I was looking forward to a nice lunch. We finally reach the office and sit down, and Zed begins to tell me his story.
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Zed is a poor man, so poor that he has not been able to get married. Let me spell out the significance of this: in this culture, marriage is paramount. Without marriage there are no children, and without children there is no, shall we say, social security. In this culture, children are much more than progeny, they are the sustaining of a family’s name and honor, and they are the only hope an older adult has of being able to retire, rest, and die in dignity. When a man is approaching 40 years old and says he is too poor to marry, this is basically a declaration of an emergency.
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So there I am in the office with a jobless, wifeless man… a man whose friend has diligently advocated that I give a job to, but for whom I have no job to give. Wish you could have been in my shoes?
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I patiently listen to the story of Zed, and what he describes is a pretty awful situation, but he does not move on to a clear statement of request. Breaking a long pause, I begin to delicately explain the nature of NGO job posts. I told of how I started working with 100+ local staff, and that I could not prevent it when nearly 90 of those lost their jobs. I told him of the conservatism and ethnic suspicions in my next project, tensions that created high risk for bringing people from his ethnic group on staff. I told him of the growing risks for locals working with NGOs, including increasing kidnappings. Then I was just moving to the conclusion of how I did not currently have any jobs to offer him, when he interrupted me.
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“Excuse me, but you’ve misunderstood me,” Zed said, “I didn’t come here to talk about jobs of money. That’s not the point. I came because I want you to pray for me, and remember me. I need to know that you’ve heard my situation, and are praying for me through this hard season.”
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The room was quiet for what seemed like an hour. I sat and recalled Zed’s story through a new frame of reference, and was aghast at his hardships, in light of his sincerity. Then Zed broke the silence again, “sure, if you had a job, I would take it, but that’s not why I wanted to meet you. I’m not without options. I could stand in the bazaar with other day laborers and get some work now and then. I could join the police and make a decent wage. I’m not that concerned about this, what I’m concerned about is how to keep my heart and faith strong, and how to keep running this race.”
Indeed, in the story Zed told me when we first sat down, he made mention that his heart had been transformed 3 years earlier. I didn’t mention that to you earlier in this story, because I didn’t fully trust his words, until he added a demonstration of that transformed heart. After the above statements from Zed I realized, alright, this guy is for real.
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So we prayed. I prayed over every matter that Zed had mentioned, and he prayed for me and praised God for our encounter.
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A couple days after Zed and I met, he left town, headed back to the village he came from, hoping to spend the winter with genuine friends. I’ve talked to him only a couple times since, but I’m sure we’ll meet again. Maybe next time I’ll have one of those risky jobs to offer him.
Saturday, January 12, 2013
The Rooster
The country we work in has seen a lot of violent
conflict. Many lives have been
lost in the waves of conflicts, and much destruction has been done. The destruction is still evident, but it
has faded in the 10+ years of reconstruction. A person who has not lived through the years of fighting can
easily forget all the damage that has been done to the hearts of the people
that walk this land. A person who
did not lose a loved one in the conflicts here does not know what sort of pain
lies in the historical narrative of this land.
I am one of those persons who does not know the extent of
damage or depth of heartache done in recent years. Sometimes I forget this. I like to think that I have learned a little bit in the 5
years we’ve been here. For that
reason, I bought this rooster, as a reminder to myself.
This rooster was made in the late 90’s. It was hand carved from a single piece
of lapis. Birds are a loved animal
here, roosters included. This
rooster was carved to a high enough quality that he was sold and moved along to
one of the premier shops in the biggest city in the northern region. He sat on the shelf with other fine
hand carvings in a beautiful display case. Then one day in the year 1999 or 2000, someone who was
guided by religious extremism; someone possessed with the task of enforcing his
ideals, came and broke this rooster.
He smashed the display case with the intent of destroying all the carved
images. They were, in his mind,
idols that were an abomination to God.
I don’t know why the shop owner saved the broken
rooster. He had to throw away most
of the hand-carvings because they were broken beyond recognition. Perhaps he saved this one because,
although broken, it could still stand.
For whatever reason, he saved it.
For about 12 years this broken rooster sat on the shelf
unappreciated. When I spotted him
he was laid down among other dusty, junky, antique trinkets. I asked about it, and the shopkeeper
told me the story that I’ve told you.
When asked how much he would sell it for, the shopkeeper shrugged and
said, “take it for $5.” I gathered
that it had much more value when it was first finished and put on display.
What’s the use of a broken rooster, and why did I bring him
home? He’s a survivor. He’s beaten up and broken, but he’s a
survivor. He didn’t get thrown
away or buried under dirt when so many other things like him did. Still he did not have enough value to
be sold, so he sat uselessly on the shelf.
How many poor people of this land have been like this
rooster? How many people were
beaten and killed by foreign invaders in the 80’s? After that how many were caught in the crossfire of a civil
war that wreaked of evil? After
that how many were oppressed and impoverished as religious fundamentalists laid
the culture and the economy to waste.
In each phase of conflict poor bystanders of the fighting parties were
beaten and killed, but others survived.
Some have weathered through all of those waves of conflict. They show the weight of those hardships
in wrinkles on their brow. They
are the survivors.
Surviving hasn’t been easy; those that have survived have
not been untouched. No one can
undo all that the wars have done to them, just as I cannot put the smashed and
lost legs of the rooster back on.
We cannot quickly make this people what we want them to be: peaceful,
world-servants, a democracy. We
cannot do anything with them until we realize who they are and how they got to
be that way. We fail if we view
them as broken objects that we will quickly fix. We can get hurt if we don’t realize that they may not play
well with others, because others have not played well with them. We might be tempted to just leave these
broken people on the shelf, hoping that someone else will come along and deal
with them.
Looking at this rooster today, it’s not very attractive, but
try looking at it through a different perspective. Imagine how it looked when it was first made. Think of the value the creator saw in
it. Consider the care that he used
in carving and polishing it. If we
see the value that the Creator saw, then why won’t we take them, dust them off,
set them upright again and say: you’re worth something, even after what you’ve
been through, there’s a dignity about you; you can still do what you were made
to do.
In the case of the rooster, he can still stand on my shelf
and make a curious decoration piece to admire and talk about. In the case of this people, they can
still discover and serve in the Kingdom.
They just need us to care enough to come and work with them, and to
point them in that direction.
Thursday, January 3, 2013
To you, our incredible supporters:
For these past years that my wife and I have served
overseas, we have been generously supported by some of the greatest people in
the world. Perhaps you are one of
them. This blog post goes out to
you, because honestly, we think that you are incredible. You might not think that you do much,
but we see it differently. From
our perspective, this is what you are doing when you’re supporting us
financially and/or in prayer:
You are keeping the
movement of long-term workers alive.
Short-term trips are the craze: anybody can go, and then come back home. The value is that lives can be impacted,
but short-term work will never replace what long-termers do. Long-termers know the language and
culture, and they experience the suffering of the people they work with. There is no better way to earn validity
and bring influence and change than to live with people. Thank you for supporting us so that we
can be long-term workers.
You are caring for
people that you will never meet, believing that they too are people worth
helping. Not a lot of visitors
come to where we work, because we live in a remote, insecure place. Some people find it hard to invest in
work for a people that they cannot meet, but not you. The people that are helped because you support us will
probably never be able to thank you.
Thank you for supporting us so that we can help people that feel trapped
in an isolated, insecure place.
You are combating the
attitude of fear and anger with a love for your enemies, and hope like a
mustard seed. The country we
work in is viewed by many as a lost cause because of the many aspects of
governance and security that are still out of control. Some would not send a penny in this
direction for fear that it might lend something to their enemies. Not you; you are with us in believing
that expressing God’s love is our best defense and our best weapon. You believe with us that it is possible
for the Kingdom of God to be revealed here. You live in hope with us that the leaders we work with and
the seeds we plant and water will change this country.
You are sensitively
listening to and following God, who has impressed upon your heart not the evil
of this place, but the opportunity.
If all you listened to were the negative news stories, if all you
believed was that these people are entirely violent and corrupt, there is no
way you could support us. You have
heard that there are souls that hunger after the King. You have heard that among the mess here, there are lives worth redeeming. You have heard that, against all odds,
there is faith, there are miracles, there is a body, and it is
unstoppable. With your support,
you have joined the quiet movement that nurtures the advancement of this
unlikely body.
Not all of you, but
some of you: you ARE us: much of your life has played out, but given another go
‘round, you would be in our shoes.
In your eyes we are not foolish, childish, or irresponsible, we’re
right on the mark. You somehow hear the same call that we've heard; it resonates with you. You marvel over
God’s work in us, and count that as more valuable than anything a person can do
for themselves. Could you do it
over again, you would be here too: serving, praying, sharing hope. Thank you for your affirmation, and for your unwavering
support.
Dear supporters, the above are the reasons that we think you
are incredible. The way you
support us blurs the line between “us” here and “you” there. Our hearts, our souls, and our goals
are much closer than our persons.
Thank you is a trite way to end, but what else can we say?
Saturday, November 24, 2012
I don’t cry, but if I did, now would be a good time.
As security deteriorated our teammate families started to
disappear. One family had planned
to leave in July, and they bumped that up by one month and were gone in
June. Another had planned to be in
M-ville for at least another year, but they made a sudden decision and were
gone. For several months after
that the last family hung on, and we thought they would stay because they had
been in M-ville since 2005. It
became clear however that they were no longer well in M-ville, and by October all
9 of the children that were “little t’s” playmates were all gone.
After the other families left we went through a period of
doubt, but then we emerged to enjoy our best season in this country. At first we considered leaving as the
last of our teammate families were leaving. We still had a German couple and a single American woman as
teammates, but we knew that we would go through some tough challenges without
the support of other families.
After prayer and consideration, we decided to stay, as we knew the
season would only be 5 months, after which we would be going home in the spring
to have our next baby. There were
challenges not having a community of foreign families, but we also grew close
to our local colleagues and friends.
“Little t” regularly had local friends come play in the mornings, “T”
got to know her neighbors and language tutor better, and I enjoyed relating
with my staff not only as colleagues, but as friends. We went into those months thinking it would be a season of
“making due”, but after growing closer to the people around us, we left M-ville
with the hope that we could return after 6 months and pick up right where we
left off. In order to do that, we
would need the company of one other family.
One of the first tasks on our minds when we landed in the
states in the spring was recruiting another family to join us in M-ville. Less than a week after landing in
Denver we were driving across Wyoming to meet with the family we had in mind. We had heard that this man and wife,
who had served with our organization in our country before, were interested in
coming back and bringing their young family to M-ville. Spending the day with them in April was
shockingly encouraging; they were genuinely interested and fully prepared to
return, and they sounded very interested in checking out M-ville. We had brief contacts with them over
the summer, and as the fall approached plans were materializing for the other
family to visit M-ville in December.
We wanted to move straight back to M-ville in October or November, but
we conceded that we would allow the other family to visit it and make their
decision first, so that we were not putting undue pressure on them. Still we felt that we could not wait
until December or January to return, so we arranged to temporarily live in another
family’s house in the big city in the north. Leadership of both of our organizations affirmed our plans,
and many leaders here were telling us to rest assured that the other family
would be joining us in M-ville.
Things were looking good, but, it was all about to change quickly.
Just days before our planned departure from the states, a
single boy’s act of violence in M-ville upset everything. On a special Friday morning a
14-year-old boy left the main mosque in town after finishing the holiday prayers. He was in the thick of the crowd of men
when he pressed the button on his suicide vest. They say the bomb was extremely powerful, as it killed 45
people and wounded 50 more. A
number of police officers, and the local chief of police, were among the dead. Perhaps those were the target, but also
among the dead were ordinary men and boys. In the first contact I had with my local colleague, he said
that the city was eerily quiet, 3 men from his street were dead, and the
husband of one of our newer local staff was also gone. It hurt to hear how close this had come
to the people that we care deeply about.
The pain of the new widow was unimaginable, and the concern of the whole
city was reason to grieve. The
best way I can help you understand this incident is to say that it would be
just like an Easter morning service being bombed. If that happened in your community, wouldn’t it suddenly feel
like nowhere was safe?
In a way, the mosque bombing didn’t affect us, but in
another, it definitely did. You might
be thanking God that we weren’t in M-ville that day, but if we had been there,
we would not have been harmed, because we would not have been anywhere near
that mosque on that holiday. Not
all matters of insecurity are alike, and this one had no intent of harming
foreigners, it was an attack on the local police and local community. That being the case, in the aftermath I
wished I could have been in M-ville to grieve with and counsel our staff. Unfortunately, at the exact time I was
wishing I could be in M-ville, our leaders were planning to make a decision
that we would not be able to return to M-ville.
Four days before our departure from the US we received a
call from our central office saying that they had serious concerns about
insecurity in M-ville, and that we should not count on returning there as
quickly as planned. The timing
could not have been worse. We
wrestled briefly with the thought of postponing our trip, but decided to follow
through with the plans to return, albeit with an unprecedented lack of
confidence about what was next.
The day after we arrived in the capital city, we were in a
meeting with the other family and our organization’s key leaders. After more than a year of hoping,
discussing, and planning, this was the first time that all of us could gather
in one place. Until this day the
attitude had always been one of “hoping and planning for the best”. Finally we gathered for the first time,
just one flight away from M-ville, and the attitude had definitely changed to
“let’s be real”. The sudden and
dramatic change in attitudes has been hard to get over. It felt like we were right in between
the two attitudes, because we had lived there, knew the tenuous nature of
security there, and yet we felt called to return there because we had seen a
way and a value in continuing to move forward. It also felt like the new family had been given too
optimistic, even too naïve a picture of M-ville before they came back to our
country, and then after they arrived they became aware of the more challenging
aspects about M-ville, and quickly caved to the conclusion: “we can’t do this!”
Without a family to join us, our hope to return was
doomed. Leaders passed the
decision that no families will be placed in M-ville for at least 2 years. They say that our organization will
continue to support the projects in that province by sending singles or couples
without kids… but I look around and think, who? There is no one currently available to support the community
development project; I was that person.
Today or tomorrow the local staff in M-ville will hear that
we are not allowed to return there.
The local project manager will have to face his fear: he’s been left without
foreign support as the end-of-year responsibilities in donor-relations draw
near. Will he be able to secure
funding for projects for the next year?
The field team will be wondering what we expect them to do as the power
brokers across the province are changing, and they face threats of violence if
they do not coordinate with all of them.
The women will wonder if they are headed for unemployment if the
insecurity continues and the men deem the female team “unnecessary”. The point is not that I could prevent
any of these tragedies, but that I would prefer to be with these brave men and
women as they have to face the new risks and challenges of this “post-foreign
military” period. For our staff
there is a significant temptation to despair right now. If they do not conduct their work
safely enough, someone could get kidnapped or killed. But if they withdraw from all the insecure areas (which
coincidently are all the needy areas) then their project will lose viability,
lose funding, and they’ll all lose their jobs. To keep the work in M-ville going is in essence a fight
against despair. I so deeply
desired to be a part of that fight.
I wanted to help them puzzle through the challenges, to keep finding a
way. Maybe the risks would have
become too much, and the project would have to be closed, but if I were there I
could at least bring their employment to conclusion with honor.
What we will do next is undecided, and our varied
considerations are the content for later blog posts. Today my point in writing was to express, if not vent, the
emotions of this unfortunate change of plans, this closing of a door. I can’t move on and care about anything
in this country if I haven’t first registered how much I cared about the people
I was working with in M-ville, how much it grieves me to think of their pain,
their loss, and their fear, and how badly they need a Savior. Clearly I’m not that Savior, but it
would have been nice if I were allowed to take my family back there and point
to Him.
Friday, October 5, 2012
WASH Social Marketing – the ongoing challenge with Biosand Filters
It’s time for another post about Biosand filters. I started writing about these in
January 2011 with this simple introduction:
I went on in the following months to write several more
times about our work with the Biosand Filter, and if you’re real interested you
can read the whole thread here (from newest to oldest):
Well, one of the points that came out clearly in last week’s
WASH forum is that our donor organization (that put on the forum) wants us to
keep trying to get our Biosand Filters to sell in the private market. The new concept is; “WASH Social
Marketing,” which is closely related to another key concept: “Demand-Led WASH,”
which is the opposite of “Supply-Driven WASH.” Are you getting lost in the concept slogans? Basically, the idea is to move away
from plopping down free solutions (supplies), but instead stimulate social
interest and demand in something that the local market can produce and
sustain. Yes, we agree with this,
but, (sigh) it has been more difficult than planned.
Perhaps our biggest challenge is that we could not control
the practice of other NGOs that distributed Biosand Filters (BSFs) in our
province in the past 2 years. They
have distributed thousands of BSFs free, without training, without follow-up
support, and without monitoring and evaluation. As a result, many BSFs cracked in transportation and broke a
brief time after use. Many of the BSFs
had been installed incorrectly, or could not be maintained because no one knew
how. One village said, “forget the
sand filtration” and emptied their BSFs so that they could be used as gravity
water spouts to clean dirty diapers!
This is a classic aid project that has failed everywhere but on the written
report that says the distributed X filters. So sad for the people that needed clean water and didn’t get
it. Now because there are so many
broken and useless filters around, we do not have as much interest from
communities, even though we do extensive monitoring and evaluation and over 90%
of our filters are still in service.
Another big challenge has been that marketing promotions
have been difficult and confusing.
Some communities have misunderstood our attempts to promote an
independent factory, and believed that we were somehow profiting from the
filter sales at the factory.
Clearly, we are now at a point that promotion must be done by the
independent factory mason, not by our NGO project staff. The question is, will he rise to the occasion and work hard
to sell his product? He hasn’t
needed to yet, because the orders that the project buys from his factory have
been enough to sustain him. As we
push for more private market growth, we’ll have to shrink our orders from him,
and encourage him to go after the additional sales he needs. We have marketing resources we can give
him: business cards, posters, radio ads, even a glass-front BSF. Hopefully he will take our resources
and be encouraged to go out and promote the BSF to communities that really need
them. I’m sure this is not the end
of the BSF story…
Freedom is meant to be put to use
I’m reading an excellent book right now titled “Good News
About Injustice” by Gary Haugen. I
would recommend it to any of you.
Today I want to share an excerpt from the book, and then add my
comments:
“A preacher once asked me (and the rest of the congregation)
to consider a scene that has stayed with me ever since. He asked us to recall the story about
the feeding of the five thousand.
The disciples brought complaints about the hungry multitude to Jesus,
and he responded compassionately by blessing the bits of food from a boy’s
lunch- five loaves of bread and two fishes. ‘Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave
them to the people. They ate and
all were satisfied’ (Mt 14:19-20).
The speaker then asked us to imagine a scenario in which the disciples
just kept thanking Jesus for all the bread and fish – without passing them
along to the people. He asked us
to imagine the disciples starting to be overwhelmed by the piles of multiplying
loaves and fish surrounding them, yelling out to Jesus, ‘Thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!’ – all the
while never passing along the food to people. And beneath the mounting piles of food, the disciples even
could be heard complaining to Jesus that he wasn’t doing anything about the
hungry multitude.” (Haugen, page
115).
A stunning picture isn’t it? Prior to telling this story the author tries to convey that
sometimes we pray and wish that God would do something about the ills of the
world, but we don’t realize that we have a role to play; we need to use the gifts
and abilities he gives us to join him in serving and helping others.
The quote I copied strikes at the point of material surplus,
and we can easily take that and think, “we are blessed with more than enough,
we should give.” I am personally
so blessed that a number of people accept this conviction and then support us
financially to do our work of service here. The author takes the story a different direction, however,
and points out that we can do something with our surplus of freedoms as
well. He tells the story of a
12-year-old Filipina girl who is raped, and although there are witnesses and an
arrest warrant, the offender is not imprisoned because he has connections with
the local police. We can quickly
say that this would not happen in America, because of the well-established rule
of law our free country provides.
We have a lot of freedoms that much of the rest of the world does not
enjoy. Perhaps I could say that if
the fish of Mt 14 were freedoms, we would be covered in a stinky heap. The disciples recognized that the fish
they were given were meant to be passed on. The work of justice, just like the work of charity and
service, is recognizing that what we have been given enables us to meet needs
of others; we are to pass on the blessing. Unfortunately I think justice often gets left behind,
because unlike charity and service, justice can require more difficult
interventions. Consider it though,
we’re dripping with freedom, shouldn’t we be determined to: “Seek justice,
rescue the oppressed, defend the orphan, plead for the widow”? (Is. 1:17)
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